Big Frank Budelewski Interview
Kevin Taylor: Thank you for tuning in to the PCA USA podcast. I'm your host, Kevin Taylor. We have a special guest today. Actually we have two. A one as you well know is well. You know him as Ian Harrison. The other one is Frank Budelewski, and he's known as big frank and he can be found on asked big frank on instagram. Youtube is with iron mag. Labs has a weekly Youtube episode. Facebook, he's frank and part of the Iron Mag labs team, a wonderful story, one over some major obstacles and as a typical podcast, we keep them around 30 minutes. We're going to take that role in, throw it out the door today and we're going to listen to the whole thing. It's over 60 minutes long. There is some language, so if you have kids in the car just before warned, it's going to be in there, but from surviving a horrific car accident, gaining over 300 pounds going totally out of shape to reinventing himself several times over learning new things.
Kevin Taylor: I think there's a lot for us to learn and to also keep in mind that it's never too. You're never too young, never too old to try new things and I think we got some motivation here for a lot of athletes when they're looking to try new things. So once again, this is Frank Buddha and you're listing to the PCA USA podcast. Well, I have a special. Actually we have a special guest. We have Ian Harrison, and we have our special guests today, which is Frank Budelewski, right. Did I get that right? All right, perfect. And that he. He goes by the name of big frank. He's a, he's a five percent or a professional arm wrestler, a big fan of charity work. I'm an actor, which I got to get some more information from, from you, a motivational speaker, a professional bodybuilder, and one that has overcome some adversity along the way to compete in bodybuilding shows. And, um, also some other obstacles on there too. So, um, note for the listeners out here, I'm going to lose control of this whole conversation. So I'm one of. I am, and I'm going to let frank go right to town, but, uh, frank, thank you so much for coming on today. I very much appreciate it.
Big Frank: I'm honored to have a legend asked me to be part of our show. Are you kidding me?
Big Frank: I couldn't wait. So I, I am truly honored. Thank you so much. Uh, and you know, you blushing.
Ian Harrison: Wow, that's amazing. Thank you. That that's real. I really appreciate you agreeing to be on this. Your story's incredible. So I wanna I wanna get to you. I don't want to talk about me. I bought it. We will talk about me and bodybuilding or bodybuilder in general, but I want to talk about you. Basically, could you tell us your story from, from the beginning
Big Frank: story. Um, I was playing football and I thought that was going to be, I'll be honest, that was the way to please my father, right. My father was always a big, huge guy and, and he never got to do professional sports because he had a mother who was legally blind. He needed to care for her. So he grew up with myself and my brother. We thought we were going to be a pro athlete. So that was the direction we're headed in. And uh, it was working. I did very well. All of us are New York and a scholarship offers and all kinds of things and a settled out of school and I was coming back. They let us go for a memorial there and I came back for Memorial Day and you know, back in the day you didn't hear about a drinking and driving and things like that.
Big Frank: They, they didn't hit, they didn't push it like they do today. If you, if you were ever drinking and driving, he got stopped by a cop. The cop would tell you, are you okay to drive? If not, I'll have you. I'll make sure you get home safe. They think it was just a different time. It was in the eighties and um, well, uh, I was a passenger and he lost control of the car. He had been drinking and we at a, a crash at 85 miles per hour. Um, everything happened to my side. Well, he started scraping on the guard rail because he lost control of the car. He went off the right side of the road. We went through one of those poles and it was my body that went through one of those bolts because the door came to the middle of the car.
Big Frank: So that blew me over to his side. It rip, rip the seat rail. The floorboard I, I've written, I was always a big guy and rip a seatbelt right out of the floorboard. My legs, my knees went through the dashboard with severed both ligaments. Wow. I smashed the window with my face. The whole door had come almost suicide of the, you know, the middle of the car. And then as if that wasn't bad enough, then we hit the bridge head on and then we dropped down into a ditch. So lucky to be alive. As a matter of fact, a lot of friends started by me, superman stuff because one of my friends mentioned take pictures of the car. Uh, the cops insisted that the passenger died. You said there's no way a human being could have lived through this. You said the only person I could have lived there as crash the superman.
Big Frank: So that Kinda stuck with me. You know, I, I have a couple of tattoos and whatever, you know, superman regulated, uh, each one of my kids, uh, initials in Kryptonian on my knuckles just to remind me of what I went through and what I fight for. So laying around, I went through six years of operations. I could hardly move for six years. And when you're an athlete and you've been an athlete for so long, uh, your metabolism just stops when once you stop your metabolism, stuffs. And I became severely obese. I think my last recorded waist size was like a 60 or 62. It was huge, my belt was taller than I was and I just had lost myself completely. I was miserable old way at that time. How old? I'm 19, 19 years old. So I'm young and I'm, well 19, 22 in my early twenties. That's what I was just, I was like an old man, you know, and I thought I was going to be crippled for the rest of my life. They said they never walk right? Never lift weights, never, never run, never play football again.
Big Frank: I was handicapped and something happened inside of me. People say, you know, what was the catalyst? What made you change? What made you decide to make that change? And I think I came to the point where it was I was either going to take my life or changed my life and I obviously decided to change my life. Thank God. And um, I just felt like I had so much. You know, sometimes you, you just have that feeling in you where you feel like you have something to offer. You don't know what it is, but you know that you're here for a reason. You know, so I always had that feeling that I have purpose. I didn't know what that purpose was at the time, but I knew it was something and I want to losing 145 pounds and then I started to build myself back, but I stayed very covered because I was very dysmorphic at this time because I felt tiny, but I was still 300 pounds, you know what I'm saying?
Big Frank: So like, hey, covered up. I don't think I went in a pool or took my shirt off for about 10 years and I certainly would never wear short sleeve shirt, nothing like that. So I started building myself back and I decided I want to compete. I want to compete in bodybuilding. Now understand during these six years I had. I lived through, there was no internet, so I lived through videos and as we've talked before, you aren't one of those people. But I would watch. I would watch the Olympia tapes. I mean to the point where they couldn't even play anymore. I'd have to order two or three of them. The battle for the Olympia tapes by Mitzvah. You a copy of Mr all Cabi. Um, those were my life. It wasn't my interest. It was all I watched and I put myself in that position.
Big Frank: I said, someday I'm going to be there. And when I tried to tell people like that and they looked at me, they would laugh. They thought it was funny. Family members, whatever, until I stepped on stage and I'll tell you one of the best moments of my entire life was, it was a 2001 and it was the mpc Mr Buffalo and I went backstage. I had about four or five layers on and everybody had discredited me nude. No one even thought, you know, they didn't even care that I was there until weigh ins when I stripped down. And I think for my very first show is probably in the 60 range. And then in 2001 that's big, that's very big. Lola and I stripped everything off and you could hear a pin drop. All of a sudden people are waived. And other guys, you know, from, from the audience, if you know, how can we judge?
Big Frank: He's normally very quiet. Well, it got quiet, I believe, what they were seeing and the radical transformation. Now everyone figured by losing 145 pounds, I would have loose skin standard, all that. No surgeries, no, I didn't do clan or t three or any of that stuff. It was old fashioned kill myself, you know what I mean? Phil, back out. And where did I learn? I learned from the magazines and from the videos from people like you, from people like Charles and Dorian and all of my heroes, their theories, your theories worked. So I can remember I walked out from backstage and it was after I had weighed in. I can see my father and my brother were like, what the hell is ever looking at my shirt off? And I just saw my brother and my father's face just drop. They were just like, they could not believe what they're saying.
Big Frank: First Time I've ever seen my father cry. You just started balling. Now my father is a six foot six. Enormous ma'am. Always controlled as emotions. We didn't see much from him. Just started bawling. He could not believe what he was seeing. That's cool. That was probably one of the best moments. That moment right there was better than the trophy because I knew there was beyond a shadow of a doubt that he was proud beyond words. Right. That was as cool. That was what changed my life. That moment changed my life and I knew I don't know where I'm going with the sport, but I need to make sure other people feel this feeling, you know what I'm saying? So I know how I feel right now and I want to running that show, which was a huge story in itself. People could not believe it.
Big Frank: People and you know, the NBC Mr Buffalo, it just said there's 69 show this year. So 69 years is a national qualifier. It's a big show up. So it wasn't just a little so talked, you know, somewhere it was a big show. So, um, I got a lot of respect once I won that show. And then I continued competing and I reached a point where I wanted to try to become a pro and I was told, you know, without getting too far into it and there's no hard feelings or anything like that. But I was told I was too tall. I'm too tall or the, you have to tell you I was competing in the MPC. They were looking for more of like a, almost like a, like a mold. All right. Well, you know, they're looking for a certain type A as a matter of fact.
Big Frank: You are tall. How tall were you asked? Yeah, I, I'm just over six foot. I was one of the tall buildings going up there when you were up there, you look like a giant because you were competing against some guys that were fighting foot seven, five foot eight. So yeah. Yeah, I'm six foot four. So I walk out and it's like I got my constructive criticism was you look fantastic. If only it could be shorter, you know? And it was Kinda like, okay, well that's, that doesn't help me fill out the eighth because I had a very similar. Well, I'll tell you at the end, I thought I was done. And uh, then of course, you know, the Paul, the, and the WBFF, they reached out to me and they asked me to compete. I wound up turning pro that was very successful. There was no getting in some magazines and whatever.
Big Frank: And then I had another second injury. I was an officer for 10 years, uh, in a federal Max prison and in 10 years now I was always the person that they would call if there was a problem, you know, if there was a fight or not a big guy, but I'm also a trained fighter not to, not to get too far into. I was also inducted into the martial arts hall of fame. I've been involved in stick fighting world and, and patients. So whether it be rapping or whether it be a getting athletes to, um, to weight healthy, to keep them strong. I've been involved in a lot of different things. So, um, I was an officer for 10 years, never got hurt until, uh, we're doing riot training and uh, I was going against my own guy and there was an accident and they didn't have helmets to fit me.
Big Frank: So when the accident happened, he was hitting me by mistake in the face with a riot shield, put my nose and put the bone right through the skin on this side, broke some teeth, dislocated my jaw, three herniated disks in my neck and a traumatic brain injury. So now it's like where I had all the injuries before, but people could see them this time I had an injury because the worst was the brain injury. I had an injury, no one could see and it's still one that I deal with even till today, you know, like I'll go my neurologist, I'll get up to 70 injections in my head every month. And what we're doing is we're trying to stop the migraine cycle and get my brain to calm down. I've had some in the Amnesia, you know, short term memory loss and things like that.
Big Frank: So it's, it's a constant battle and for people to look at me, you think, well, there's nothing wrong with this guy. You know what I mean? So it can be a more devastating injury because when you have a cast or brace on your leg, people know you're hurt. When you look like I do and something happened, something slides out of your hand or, or you start talking and all of a sudden you're not really making sense or you lose your place as you're talking. People don't understand what's going on. And that's when I started doing some speaking and some putting, putting things out on my instagram and whatever to let people know who are dealing with brain injuries that they're not alone. Uh, almost every day I have a soldier or a child or, or a or an athlete that writes me and says, I got to the point where I was going to give up, but I kept going because of you.
Big Frank: So that means a lot to say the injury. I tried to do one more show. Now they had gotten rid of bodybuilding. So I scaled way down. I got a small, as my body could get, I want to say now I was 2:50, but I put out a lot more muscle, you know, I went up to like the to 90 range. So now I came all the way back down to 50 and when I came down I did one more show, I think it's called muscle model or whatever the division of as. I just wanted to step on stage one more time. Not yet. There you go there. Good picture right there. The blue shorts that was this, this and you know, people liked it. Some people liked it. People who knew me didn't like it, but it was more of a personal thing to do.
Big Frank: Um, and then after that show I was done depression set in. I wasn't what I normally was. And as we talked before, I disappeared from the, from the sport, just like I've disappeared from football at one time had disappeared fitness and know I started growing. But this time I wasn't doing it for his show. I was doing it for me. And, um, I started going back out feeling more myself physically and be in working on the issues I was having inside of my head. And, uh, I got, uh, I got, um, I noticed that someone was following me on instagram and I had about 200 followers. So if someone's going to start following me, I noticed right away and you don't know. And I'm like, I started calling my friends. I'm like, Yo, man, you're not going to believe who was watching me right now.
Big Frank: And uh, so rich started following me and he wrote me and he said, listen, could you do me a huge favor? Um, could you tell me your story? Would you mind sharing your story with me is absolutely. So I sent him my story and if you read the way he worded it, I mean, he almost begged me. It was like, listen, I, I know it's not your focus, but I would be honored if you would join my team. Um, you said what we'll do. He said, I, I see that you're trying to reach more people. Uh, and the reason for me reaching people is it's a positive. It's positive therapy for me, it gives me purpose because I knew that there was a reason why I lived twice through two major accidents and it wasn't to, I guess it wasn't a, you know, so, uh, you know, Mcdonald's or made fries, it was to, uh, it was to make a difference in people's lives, to show people that if I can do what you can do too.
Big Frank: And that's why I think I was blessed with the strength that I was blessed with. So I joined the team. I was with rich for two years until the day he died. And uh, then you know, they, and no hard feelings with five percent whatsoever. You see some people that, you know, we're with five percent for years and they, uh, they, they're a little upset that they, I guess you'd call it let go or whatever you wanna call it. Um, with me, I didn't have any of them. I know in my situation because I was handpicked by rich and, and we had grown so close and whatever, as hard as it was for them to let rich's own girlfriend separate from the company, you know, being chanel, I know it was just as hard for me and in each one of them that stayed, um, ha has become very clear, you know, they're good friends.
Big Frank: They, there's mutual respect. They knew that I was going to find another place to go, you know, that, that my story wasn't over and maybe I would find a place that would be able to utilize me even more. And I have with Iron Mag labs and uh, you know, with iron maglevs it's almost a better situation because I have almost free reign to reach whoever I want to reach and to, to really have fun with what I'm doing and what the aspect. Frank, you know, I do a live show every week I do that. I could talk about bodybuilding or wrestling or arm wrestling or, or this or that and whatever. But at the end of the day, my goal is to put a smile on someone's face and I can be talking about bodybuilding and that someone could really could care less about body bodybuilding, but by the end of each show, I want someone to be smiling and say, you know what, I could care less about bodybuilding, but I'm really want to work on my golf game today, or, you know, last weekend, you know, uh, my, the softball league, you know, my batting sucked.
Big Frank: I'm going to go work in my bed and just because I'm inspired to become better. So right now, my life right now, I mean, besides, now here's another day, I have four children, two sets of twins. So there are a lot of work there. You know, obviously my children are my life, but outside of, you know, the, my, my children and my home life, um, I feel my purpose is to make a difference and inspire people to step outside of themselves and become what they may be, have been told in their life that they couldn't be. Absolutely. That's, that's where I am right now. Hello. Smile my, this already, I'll tell you, how old are your twins? Uh, well, I look and Kate are six and blake and Angelina attempt. It's close now. They told us that we were never going to have children and uh, their miracles, you know, we, we are, we are blessed beyond words.
Big Frank: Now in 2003, um, I mentioned this to you in, in 2003, uh, I was signed to a tough enough for MTV and I was like, you know, do I want to be a wrestler or I want to have a family and I, you know, I chose family and nobody knew it was gonna take eight years for it to happen. It happened for a reason. I believe that. And God knows where it would have been had I taken that direction. And um, you know, because I did choose, you know, family trip a little bit longer than that I thought, but made up for lost time with two at a time and see my instagram, they, every other post has to do with my kids. And it's just because they, I guess, when things aren't easy for you and you finally get them, you appreciate them that much more like that.
Big Frank: Bodybuilding hard like that, that job that you didn't think you'd ever get. Well, with my children, I had come to a point where I didn't think I would ever have children. So when I finally did, I appreciate every day, every second with them. Now they can drive me crazy wrong. Even when they drive me nuts. Once you finally cooled down and you start laughing because you know, you just, you can't believe what they did. What they did was that funny and stuff to teach the lessons. But we have fun. We have a lot of fun.
Ian Harrison: That's cool man. That's cool. I'm a granddad now. I want my grand babies are in the next room. So, uh, I, I'm like, oh, again, it's pretty cool for the installation. That's awesome. So you get to be looking for the second time, right? Exactly. Yeah. I mean that's, that's why I'm tired.
Big Frank: I'm for you. This time my father comes over and he'll play with the kids. And sometimes I'm looking at they do something wrong,
Ian Harrison: grandfather, I'm like, who are, you are definitely. Yeah, get it. No, it's pretty cool. It's funny you should say that though about the decision you made about the rest and all that, all your family because that's really why I retired. I was 28 when I retired from pro bodybuilding and it got to the point where my wife just couldn't take it anymore. My, you know, it's selfish, but I put it through a lot and I remember getting off the plane or the Ama plastic in 98. My last show, 98. And um, she was crying her eyes out. She said, I can't do this anymore. So I said, okay, but no place in the top five I'll retire. So I didn't play to the top five. Sorry time. And uh, I don't want to stretch the wrestling. Uh, you know, I'm sitting there thinking, what am I going? I'm feeling to pound this now what am I going to do? So I've done a few commercials. I know you've done some acting. So I don't know quite a few commercials. That's how I actually started my first gym from a second 32nd commercials. I'm it. And then I just decided that was it. You know, family comes first and honestly I think she probably saved my life. Look, guys, I competed with
Big Frank: scary. I did, uh, you know, when I, when I was with the other organization, I was writing for them and I was writing for about six different magazines and uh, I get, uh, I did an article attributed to a Mike Matarazzo who know was one of the forest bodybuilder I had ever seen. And it was like, it was like Mike and then Greg Kovacs and it was like one after another and it's in the scary part is what you guys were putting ourselves through in comparison is nothing compared to what they're doing now. It's frightening. It's frightening to see what's happening because you, you, you don't know where it's going to go in. I would imagine now if you remember, what was it about 10, 15 years ago they said right there, that's a cap. There is no way a human body can get any bigger and then all of a sudden 10 years later you're talking guys are 40, 50 pounds heavier than they would have been 10, 15 years ago. Where does it go? Where there has to be a limit, you know what I'm saying? And who's going to be that person that wins to start that change and that's, I think that's what I'm waiting for is to see because that's usually what it is. Right? I mean usually that person that wins that big show, whether it be the Olympia or whether it be the arnold, that's usually the catalyst for what they're going to look for for the next year. The same person he was winning. So it's like
Ian Harrison: that history repeats itself. That's been happening a long time, you know, they, I mean, look, look at my era means that Dorian Warren, I don't have any. How many Olympians don't end with an incredible champion, but at the back end of his career there was a lot of bodybuilders that I'm not talking about myself. I'm talking about flex wheeler to Nassar I'm talking about love. I mean, the year I did the Olympia, I think Ronnie Coleman and Charles Glamour got 10th place. Yeah, I mean that kind of tells you the kind of standard. Another, a law guys that I honestly don't believe that the same guy or was it always the best guy on the, on the debt of a lot of those shows is paid per day and I don't like that. To me it should be. I actually wrote an article years ago and I said, your bodybuilding show should be judged with Brown paper bags on your red and a number. You shouldn't be an African name. You shouldn't have bought it. Not whether you're a nice guy, but it shouldn't really matter whether you're united sky on now. If you're the best guy on stage, you're the best guy on stage. It should happen and that's what we're trying to do.
Big Frank: And, and you know, I'll tell you one thing that's disappointing and it's always talked about, so it's not, it's not a secret. Whoever one previously, obviously it's always going to get a first look. So there are always going to be in that top call out. Now, what if there's three other guys, all three of them look better than him. Someone is always getting screwed. It's. That's one thing that's unfortunate about the sport is,
Big Frank: you know, when you have. Here's the perfect example, you have a line of about 50 guys. Now, this could even be at the amateur level. Um, you have a lineup of 50 guys, okay? [inaudible], there's no way the human eye is going to pick out the three top people out of that 50, but someone's always going to get that first call out and there's always going to be that person that's going to miss out on those points because they happen to be standing over in the corner now. And that's why people, you know, they start saying, oh, push your social media. You want judges to see previously
Ian Harrison: it shouldn't be about, that man shouldn't be on you, you know, what web, but what I'm trying to promote the new federation, a new federation, but he's new to this stage, but what, what we're really trying to do it
Ian Harrison: promote fairness. The guy at the best person on the debt, no prior prejudice, no prior to want your warm. Even if the week before or the year before, it shouldn't be the best person on the day and it's, you know, there's always going to be opinions. Unfortunately. Bodybuilding's not, not arrest. It's not aware. You left, he said it. His opinion, but you've got to agree what you're looking for. I think that's actually going, to me my opinion. I think classic, the classic bodybuilding class, which should never have been called classic bodybuilding is probably going to be the savior of the spa in my opinion because a, it's going to serve it because otherwise people are going to get to a point where I love the bigger, the better. But when you lose that temper, it's when everything been to go, I'm a bigger guy, I'm always going to be a bigger gun.
Ian Harrison: When I tried to scale down, it just didn't look right on me. Some people may have liked it, but it wasn't me. It wasn't my classic look. Um, but I was here a waste, you know, even though I lost 145 pounds, I still got my waist because I knew that's what I had to do. That was the look I was going for. It looks similar to yours. There's a look similar here or any of the guys that I had pictures and posters of all around the basement are all around my room. That's what I knew I had to look like in. It just seems like some guys are starting to show up almost like a teenage mutant Ninja Turtle, you know what I mean? Like, like you know, the stomachs are so that they could have 23 slash 24 inch arms, but the arms look tiny.
Ian Harrison: You know what I mean? In terms of certain looking small because your midsection is that big something. Something's wrong. And in some guys are coming out with legs so enormous, almost too big legs and glutes that are almost too big and you look at them and it's like you lose the title like a giant dwarf. You know what I mean? Like her legs look not right. And it's just, that's not bodybuilding completely. Well, when I was calling, I remember the last year I'll compete and they're not classic looking have fluctuated, but in a nutshell, some boxing double bicep and I'm still there in the lineup. But I'm like, yeah, I'm done. I mean looking at flags, Raila Age, wrist were like this, his ankles, his knees and his muscle bellies came out and in and I'm looking at. I'm like, if that guy can't win, I'm screwed. I've got another challenge, you know, to me that's bodybuilding, that the muscle bellies and I agree right.
Ian Harrison: When you get so much size, it ties into so high into your hip and your hip flexors that you lose your waste essentially. So yeah, I'm completely with the I'm, I'm still a, you know, it's like the superman thing you were talking about earlier. I don't know if that was recorded or not, but in that we've got most of us it in the first place. Marvel comics, absolutely meeting. So if the pencil draw, I passed all my, all of my school books. It was, it was bodybuilders know versus just bodies. And I can do all the time and that's all my issue or my inspiration was from marvel comics. So yeah, I told you I'm totally with you there, man. I really am totally with you.
Big Frank: Things that I do is um, I mean even when I disappeared from body building in the sport and whatever, um, I would still go to now one thing that kids love to do, they love like comic cons, right? Because they love comic. You know what I'm like, I'll go, let's put some stuff on. So I went dressed as bait, the Batman character, man. I walked in, I got more people asked me to take pictures that are comicon than ever in a body building show. And then what I started doing for something for my friends who actually they became my friends, you know, the people who run the show and whatever, um, you know, I'll stand there. And if people take pictures, uh, you know, I'll give, I'll give the DELCO donate money will go to charity. So that's some of the charity stuff that I, that I started doing was as a character.
Big Frank: And then, uh, I never mentioned, but I wound up when it disappeared from bodybuilding, I turned pro in arm wrestling and did very well in nationals and, and you know, did, did very well. And in September a world champion, Devon Lyric, um, asked me if I would help him in his sport. I think his original idea was he wanted to show how easily a could, you know, take care of a body. Butler. He had done it with, uh, the world's strongest man. A thor have sore, so, you know, you see a famous video online, he just takes them right down or whatever. But I'm one of those weird people were, you know, I get a challenge, don't take your challenge lightly. And he didn't know that arm wrestling experience so you can see the whole thing unfold online on Youtube. But we wound up meeting in September and he was undefeated for 10 years.
Big Frank: I want to beating him in the first round. And I think people, uh, that sent a shock around the world saying a bodybuilder can be more functional than a lot of people believe that they can be. And uh, of course he wound up beating me the second, Julia wasn't easy and I did some very unconventional things, you know, to, to try to prevent him from beating me. But your grip on your hand and give me. Yeah, I mean I was punching forward and I was rocking. I use for every pound of my 300, 65 pounds. He had to beat to the point where, I mean, you could see he had, he had the technique, you start crawling up on the table with his feet underneath him and stuff like that. But he is the, the best of the best I had no, it would have been a dream to think I was ever going to beat them soda to pull out a, even the round one.
Big Frank: And the reason why I got the round one was he was not expecting me to hit him with all I hit them with because our strength, our bodybuilding strength isn't very functional when it comes to a lot of sports, whether it be martial arts or whether it be arm wrestling, things like that. But I learned how to make myself functional. So when I hit him with it, he was like, Whoa, you know, and he, he actually pulled out about this far from the path, but there was a losing position. So I know that was a win for me and uh, it's Kinda sent waves through a bodybuilding and arm wrestling to show that a big guy can be functional if you train for it, you know. And that's another thing I kind of pushed. It's one thing to look nice, you know, it's a whole different thing when you have.
Big Frank: See, I think one thing, one problem with body builders, a lot of us got into bodybuilding because we had our insecurities, a lot of, a lot of bodybuilders, they're insecure. Bodybuilding doesn't necessarily take care of those insecurities. Um, it helps us get more friends that helps us get more attention to health. So, you know, guys get the girls and stuff like that to a degree. A lot of the guys still have that insecurity and science side of themselves. So what I tell them is, look, even though you're 300 pounds and whatever, get involved in something else. Um, learn, you know, learn to fight, go try it. A box, do arm wrestling, do, do something else that tells your brain, yes, I'm this size because most of us are big, but we don't see it ourselves, you know, that we're just morphing. But if we learn to use our size and we get that self satisfaction of Shit, I've just took them down or you know, uh, I, you know, I just pinned him or, or I just got a win or whatever it be.
Big Frank: Now all of a sudden, not only do we look at it on the outside, but we have that security in that, God forbid something happens we can give handle ourselves. And as an officer, you know, having to respond to fights and whatever in the very beginning had show up to fights. I couldn't even breathe, you know, and I'm thinking to myself, there's guys half my size that are breaking up these fights and I'm standing there, God forbid if I get hit, I'm in trouble. Right? And so I have to learn the hard way. But then it was like I finally realized, okay, I can be big, but I better be able to handle myself, so I made sure I was able to handle myself. And then your life changes a little bit and that's why I tell everyone, everyone who's a bodybuilder and whatever, they start talking tough online and whatever, I remind them, it's usually the guys who are talking like that most involved here.
Big Frank: And I'll just very kindly like people. I'm sure you have your day where people just hate on you online. Okay. Well you, I mean you weren't really now though, there was no online when I launch it. It got it. This is the point where it's, you almost feel like all these guys are hating on you for absolutely no reason. And it can be insecurity. It could be whatever. Um, what I always do, I was sending him a message and I don't fight online. This one thing I just don't message and I'll say, look, I'm not a stupid person. I've been where you've been, um, find some security in your life, whether it be through sports, whether it be through financially, whether it be professionally, what if you need help, I'll help you. And whenever. So I almost kindness, but I let them know that why they're doing it is because they're insecure and I can't tell you how many people have called out like that and they're just like, oh man. He was like, I kind of feel like a pussy right now, but he's like, you're 100 percent right. He goes, I don't even know why I wrote that shit to you online. Like I don't even know why I did it, you know, and don't know. And I just, I think I try to push that a lot. You know, it's one thing to look the part, it's another to have that self satisfaction of knowing that you can use it, become functional juice, something with your size. Don't just lift a weight.
Ian Harrison: You know, what actually got me into bodybuilding was Judah and my father was a third of our black belt in England and I started June six. I, I did martial arts, that got me into the wet weight lifted and then when I started the pro wrestling when I retired and they've only ever been one progress pro bodybuilder, Oregon. Interesting. Arkema Albrecht and he had an had a bad name with the wrestlers because he was, they, they call him Steph, that the timing. So when I first came to America, when I shook and he wrestles hands, if you, if you actually grip the hand, they didn't want to work with you. He said everything's like a dance, like supposed to be a. I didn't ever get to that good. I was the sniff one, but you know, I took it as a challenge because they didn't think I was mobile, so like I was wanting to take all the big bumps going of off the top turnbuckle go backwards over the ropes and stuff because. No, no, no. The big guys did that were bodybuilders. Customer. We had a reputation as being not athletic, so I get it. I totally get it. I, I, I really, I took as a personal challenge and the rest of them just to prove everybody wrong.
Big Frank: That's exactly what I was gonna say you had it in your head, they see you as a giant and you want to prove them wrong. And I love that. I love when people are able to do that, you know, too many people settle for what the way other people see them. And, and that's one thing I could never, never do. Like I instilled that in my kids' heads since they were children. Babies like you be, you know, never be what sees you as. And I think that's really cool. Um, now our kid and he got, he got signed by Vincent itself, didn't even Vince Mcmahon
Ian Harrison: ash. Yeah, yeah. I have a magazine,
Big Frank: the magazines love, you know, they, they were reporting or whatever, but he never actually made. Did he actually make it to a wwe match or was he under it?
Ian Harrison: Got a couple of matches. But uh, which has died. The first match on what the don't usually at the setting was so stiff and awkward setting the couldn't get even normally, like I wasn't the best. I wasn't like I'm definitely people have that are just like master of the game. But uh, I got decent, I go kick, some guys just don't get it all there. Some guys are just unbelievable, lots of you know, and uh, but the injuries are really, really in that one too. So I'm really interested in that game. Supposedly most of those guys we've got real messed up next. Go until what year? When did I, I actually retired in 2003, I believe, the year. Remember how can animal well, Hark was like my best friend, my cakes and the year before I went to like $800 in one year and his was the last one that he died of a heart attack in his mid forties and I went to his funeral. I sat right in front of me and Bush walkers and all those guys. And um, I just said I'm done. I'm done change of Korea. So yeah, I, I got into real estate, which wasn't a great idea at the time, but now that embodied all, all good.
Big Frank: Awesome. You know, I just wrote an article or a, I just wrote a post, I think it was yesterday or something like that. And uh, I put up pictures of me from this year handing out trophies and MPC show and what I said was, you know, sometimes even love something so much, right? And you almost feel like maybe it was taken away from you for some reason or whatever. So you see yourself far from it, but you know that you truly loved that thing. If you find a way to come back. And a lot of times the love that you can have for it is even greater as a fan or as a spectator when you step out and you can watch someone else six need it. You almost who you love it more like we all want to be. We all want to be that, that guy, you know, crossing the, the, you know, making the touchdown at the super bowl. We always want to be the guy who's making the winning shot of the MBA. But are they as excited as we are watching them? Right? Think as a fan big how crazy fans go. Watching. It's almost, and I try to explain this to people, your life is a lot better than you think it is. You have all these people and these heroes and whatever
Ian Harrison: when you are, when you are in here or you are a star, a lot of times there's a lot more pressure on you and you don't have that outlet. You don't have that anymore. You don't have that, that person that you look up to or that, that idol anymore, right? You just feel like everything's crashing down on you and when everything gets reversed again and you could now you can sit out in the audience or as a judge over there and watch these guys. Would that excitement again and you're living through them and tell them you're not having fun. I could see the smile on your face. Tell me. We went to, went to the venue for our first show in lackland. Um, when we first went to it, I walked from backstage and walked onto the stage and the all, all I could think of frank.
Ian Harrison: Well, there's gonna be some young kid going gonna. Walk out on stage for the first time and they're gonna it's gonna be the most life changing experience that they've ever gone through and that's the first thing I thought about. It wasn't about a kind of kind of fell. The players kind of made money like I'm like, this is going to be an umbrella. And I got literally the as on my house that I'm in right now. I got chills as you were saying because I see it. I got this. When your father saw you in the midst of Buffalo, you know, that type of thing. That age. That is the soft thing that I want to say. I want to create those opportunities for people. I really do. It's, it's cool. I love bodybuilding, man. That's why I'm talking to you. I was standing behind me in on that when he was walking around and you could just tell he wasn't in the zone and so I took a picture.
Ian Harrison: I'm trying to find it right now and I'll send it to you because he's just kinda like looking around kind of like you. No, I, I was limited through their eyes. I really was, when we was on that stage, I was thinking there's going to be some young kid so and they don't have to be a young kid, just somebody, anybody from whatever background and experience, but it really is an incredible thing to do. A lot of people that are involved in this, but they don't understand it. It looked very egotistical. It is to a certain extent, but we can't all be the guy that wins the superbowl. We can't all be the guy, you know, and, and I think bodybuilding gives us an opportunity. What I loved about bodybuilding was if you're not naturally gifted, you can work, you can work, you can outwork people.
Ian Harrison: And that's what I loved about it. I saw your $5, five cents thing of a yesterday about the hard work ethic. I loved it because that's exactly what I'm from, Bro. You know, it's, I, it's all about you. You can outwork people you've got in there with less tolerant, less experience and outwork the. And, and you know what I, one thing I've found is when you're genetically gifted, okay, everyone is looking at you and they're expecting you to win. Yep. Right. So there's an undue amount of pressure on you when you come in and nobody expects you to women or nobody expects anything. Right? You enjoy the experience much more than the person who's gifted because, you know, I, I swear it sometimes
Big Frank: there's been shows that I've done that. Okay. Against Ben White, right. He turned pro the very next week knowing that I was compared about 10 times to him, told me that I was there, you know, that I was close enough to be, to be neck and neck with someone who was going to be, I mean in the sport. And that show to me was more enjoyable than a lot of the shows that I just flat out one and there was nobody close, you know, it. It's uh, it's nice now to be able to go with my children. Now the Mr. Buffalo vizier was the first competition that my, any of my kids have gone to. My daughter went with me. And just seeing her for up there with the light in her eye that we had a daddy daughter date, um, and the, you know, seeing the light in her eyes and how excited she was and how she felt when daddy got called up to to hand out trophies.
Big Frank: And um, it was that experience me was better than competing. And it's, it's, it's really amazing. I always encourage people, listen, even if things get taken away from you, um, find your love and find your passion in another way, you know, go and go and watch the excitement in someone else's face. Help someone else get there. Um, and you know, you can kind of live through them and get that excitement back and we'll include, you know, what I feel as we have Marsha was going through and actually have a laptop yet one of the shelves I would love to. Javier, whatever. Really would it be? It'd be great. I'm telling you about. I have my laptop. I've got you on the podcast. Yeah. Yeah. So with Ima AG labs last year at the Arnold. Okay. A Christian, do you know Christian Duque? He's become a good friend of mine, he's the marketing director, but at the time he was just doing videos.
Big Frank: So there's Imac labs, um, the supplements, and then of course the magazine is kind of split in two. So, uh, he, he, uh, he saw me, he was like a damn where, you know, you was like, where'd you come from a ben container over a iron man magazine. He named me frequently Arnold last year. So that's my title. Uh, this year was the second year in a row, a king of the frequency called it, but you know, Craig's going to ask me, he's like, you have a minute for an interview now. He didn't know my story, so I'm on camera and I'm just going out and I could see his face is just going like, he could not believe what I was saying. So we stayed in touch. He thought my story, it was very cool. He followed me through the arm wrestling thing as well and I'll tell you the most excited people once I beat Devin.
Big Frank: And that first, when I was probably my children and Christian, like in that order, he was so happy and so excited because he knew so many people are talking so much garbage about being whatever, you know, big bodybuilder can't be functional and whatever. So, um, we stayed in touch and then when the breakup kind of happened with five percent and you know, she went her way and you know, I, I distanced myself. And um, they, they kind of rearranged things over there. Christian reached out to me, he said they became the marketing director over our Mac labs. And uh, because he had been following me for a year, he knew my story, knew my passion for helping people and being honest really. And he asked me if I, uh, you know, kind of joined the crew over there at the arnold this year, you know, talk to the owner and talk to the people there.
Big Frank: And I was going anyways. So, you know, I went and it was, it gave me a central location for. I have a lot of fans of followers that love my story that, that really want to meet me on that one and one one on one basis. So, uh, it was a place to say, listen, I'm going to stop by the Iron Mag labs booth, you know, if you guys want to come and talk to him, then all of a sudden it was like, well, I showed up. He was like, these people have been waiting two hours for. I'm like, seriously? That was a humbling experience. Um, a lot, a ton of people just came up and every time I'm able to speak to people one on one, especially people going through a lot of the same issues that I've gone through with the brain injuries and stuff. Like a lot of soldiers and children and whatever. They just watched all of it. They soaked, soaked it up. I got to hang out with Gregg Valentino, who's become a very good friend of mine.
Ian Harrison: I will. When I was listening to one of the podcasts I'm going to send because I might pitch blackness was one of the podcasts. He was funny as hell. Yeah, I was laughing my ass off.
Big Frank: Oh, do we have someone? We really have so much fun. It's such a cool atmosphere. We're not really barked at or pointed at and told what to do and we're able to just be ourselves and have fun and help people. So, um, you know, after the Arnold, they reached out to me and they're like, listen, we would be, we would love to have you, you know. And it was funny because at the Arnold, um, I think a lot of people were surprised when they saw me in person, uh, from what I hear on bigger and person that I am and I'm, I'm, you know, unlined.
Ian Harrison: when people are, holy crap, pretty big online to me, make sure I, I, I'm, I might have to pull up your jumpers. I'm going to come and meet you.
Big Frank: So, um, you know, I had quite a few people respond to me and you know, I, I was kind of at the point where, you know, with rich I wasn't looking to be sponsored, you know, rich kind of reached out to me. So I wasn't looking to be with a company, so I mean, you know, I'm listening to offers and whatever, but it was, it wasn't like I was like, oh, I'm going to go with the best offering and go with them. I want her to go with someone that would let me continue to be me if I was going to go with someone or someone that liked me for me and in Christian and, and, and rob the owner ever. And they, they like me. For me, I use the products. I liked the products. Was that walk out of the products? What products do you now you remember back in the nineties when hormones first came out it back when they worked.
Big Frank: Right? And then they, and then they pulled them off the market. They have found a safer way to put the prohormones out. Alright. So you're getting products that do increase testosterone levels. Okay. And um, he also, they also have formulated a product or products that are transdermal. Okay. So, um, maybe how do I say this? There's some products that maybe they can't put in pill form. Alright. But transdermally, they're more of a con, they can call it a cosmetic instead of a supplement. Yes. Yeah. So what you're able to do is help someone safely, um, increased assessment, low levels, and legally be more competitive, um, in any sport that they're doing really? Um, I, you know, like I said, I, I have not changed. I didn't change anything. I started taking the supplements. I started getting leaner. I started getting stronger. I started getting, um, you know, it's funny they even say they use the words natural aggression, egg.
Big Frank: I'm not an aggressive person, but what it did was it made me more focused in the gym. It made me want to train. It may be, you know, with all the injuries and everything, I'm going through a lot me to, to push through pain. Okay. And, and to really get better and every bachelor that correct. I might have to try some of that. Sounds good. You should because especially guys who are over 40 or over 35, but really I'd say over 40 guys who start dipping low into Sasser and levels. Right? We're getting doctors these days that can be very afraid or astro replacement therapy. So you start bringing it up to your doctor and you know, he starts giving him. It depends on your doctor but it's the same these days with pain medication to doctors are getting in trouble prescribing pain medication so they'd only been wanting to do it.
Big Frank: The same is going on with a testosterone replacement therapy. You know, they, they don't want doctors don't want to be involved in it. Here's a way to the dove and knowledge really do that. You would end up going to get into the so that they really don't have the knowledge that way too about don't they don't. And it's scary because people tell me, you know, that they have ultra low levels in there. Like all my, my doctor put me on a, you know, he's going to give me a shot once a month and it's like that's not gonna do anything man. I mean, you know, like, and then they, you know, they started the supplements and then all of a sudden they go back and they get tested in the doctor's like, well, what the hell are you doing? And he's like, well, I'm taking some cell phone.
Big Frank: And he's like, oh, well, what else are you doing? He's like, no, that's really all I'm doing. And their testosterone levels have significantly increased. Wow. That's very interesting. I'm not important. I have to try that. I love the fact that there is a supplement, that there are supplements out there that can help. Now. Are they a miracle? Certainly not. All right. We are. We all know that, you know, increase testosterone levels. You still have to do the work. He's so need to eat the food. You still need to stuff. But with all the dangerous garbage. Yeah. Right now, yes. With all the dangerous garbage that's out there these days, to know that there's, you know, some that are formulated in a lab that aren't just like, there's a lot of supplements out there like Creatine, glutamine, and in a lot of supplements that you weren't necessarily going to see and feel a difference, but you're just told that you should take them because they're going to help you, these supplements that you're going to see and feel.
Big Frank: And the cool thing about them is there's a 30 day guarantee so you will see and feel results within 30 days. And if you don't, you can simply return them. So, I mean, how many companies standing? Yeah. Cool. Very cool. So to be a part of a company that I truly believe in the products but then also be able to have fun with them, uh, and really take it in any direction. Now, um, you, you mentioned the acting thing. I got a, I got a series on Netflix where I'm going to be, um, if you felt. Well you said you did comic books. I remember the kingpin. Yep. So I'm going to play. I'm going to do a new take on the kingpin kingpins. Going to be big and muscular there. There's gonna be a series called goodbye castle with. It's going to be based on the punisher.
Big Frank: He's going to be trying to locate x 23 wolverines daughter and uh, you know, daredevil is going to be in it and the pink pins going to be in. And I'm going to play the king pin in that Wednesday. Yeah, Wednesday coming up. They start filming next month. Nice. Okay. Wow, whoa. Pretty, pretty cool. There's another film that we've been waiting for a start. It's gonna Start Dmx and Dmx got her little bit of recent trouble. So they're just waiting for him to get out. Uh, you should be out a month or two, something like that. And then filming. Supposed to start, but it's called dog men and they're saying that, uh, they already have 4,000 theaters slated for that. So, uh, you know, pre production has already begun for that film and fallen. Frank, how did he get into the team? Me Commercial Commercials, the same bunch of commercials I've done now.
Big Frank: Rich had a meeting with us, with Marvel Studios, um, that one of the big. Yeah, that was one of the biggest reasons why a rich reached out to me. And uh, well we, he had some serious talks and, and there were big things happening and then unfortunately, um, you know, he wanted a passing. So, um, some of that stuff kind of fell backwards a little bit. Now a lot of people don't realize, but a rich was in movies. He was in planet of the apes anyway, but people don't realize that. Yeah, he was one of the biggest apes in planet of the apes. He said when the director, when the casting director Psalm, he looked right at the way rich was talking and he said, that's my aunt right there.
Big Frank: Yeah. Really cool stuff. So, you know, rich wound up getting a sag card and all that stuff. So, um, when rich saw, you know, my size, but also the, you know, I'm articulate, I could speak, um, and not. So I'm not so one dimensional, like the typical body building. Plus, I'm also Paul, you know, he saw a lot of opportunity for me, so he has opened many doors even past his untimely passing. So I've been in touch with many directors and casting directors and things like that who have been very impressed with me and uh, I've done some, um, some auditions that, some audition tapes that just blew them away. They're very, very happy with it. So you're going to see me, you know, you're going to see me coming out, uh, you know, um, and the, the little screen on tv, uh, and some series and then also the big screen for some movies as well.
Big Frank: And uh, even through the, through the arm wrestling, if you ever heard of the name Travis agent, uh, he's one of the most outspoken arm wrestlers that there is in the world. He is doing a series based on his life. Basically, he learned to become one of the best wrestlers in the world because his family needed the money. Uh, they, they lived in a mobile home that had no running water. So it wasn't like he wanted to be the best arm wrestler, he wanted to make the most money and he learned how to con and scam and that and do all that. So this theories, he's going to go around and take on guys from all different industries, football players, wrestlers, strong men, whatever, and he's going to bet each one of them $15,000. Now he asked me to be one of the last, if not the last person because he realizes I'm not necessarily, I mean, you look at my instagram, I'm not necessarily one thing. Most people or a bodybuilder or a football player. I'll kind of everything. So he knows it, especially with my match against Devin and, and the effect that I've been training getting better. He knows that I'm gonna get that head size, strength and function. So there is the possibility of a win. So, uh, we're going, we're going to save me for last and uh, it'll be a good series. It'd be a lot of fun.
Ian Harrison: The cap for all this stuff. And I got a lot going on. You very interesting math. Frank. Mary, thank you.
Big Frank: Thank you. Well, I mean, man, you, you set the stage. Didn't you know. Here's another thing I want to ask you. This is something I've always wanted to ask. You turn pro when you're 20 years old, I believe.
Ian Harrison: Is that correct? Yeah, yeah, yeah. I was 20. I was still a junior now. I wouldn't have. Anyway, I'm on the overall broker now. Let me ask you a question now. With all that competing,
Big Frank: and this is just something I've always wondered about you specifically because you always had the size, you certainly had the look and the shape. Do you feel turning pro at such a young age
Ian Harrison: held you back from your
Big Frank: ultimate potential of what you could could've done in the sport? In other words, do you think you started competing almost too young and becoming a pro too young to the point where you never got to reach your full potential? Do you think you've reached your full potential while your body could?
Ian Harrison: No, I definitely did not reach my full potential, but that, that I am. I haven't had any luck you but I. When I was 17, I blew both my knees out and I had major surgery on both knees and that she took photographs out my Shin and bought into my knee. I'm 17 that told me I'd never tried it again and I put, I wouldn't probably never walk properly again. We'll, we'll, we'll, we'll see about that. So that was my motivation and I tempera three years after that. So I, you know, I had a full year round. I still have a problem. I know. I honestly don't think he stopped me. I think what really stopped me was the realization that family game first. Yeah. And I have no regrets, no regrets whatsoever. It's just the, the, the spa. When I was competing for me, I was probably in the wrong place at the wrong time, you know, dot Darian was Mr Olympia.
Ian Harrison: I was, I was an Englishman. He was an Englishman. Look won't going to happen. You know, those, all those. A lot of things against me. I'm like, when you, you told me that one of the judges said you were too tall. Um, what George said to me after the one Olympia that I competing, I said, well, what was the reason that plays out with the top 10? And this particular juror said, your legs are too big. I said, you mean my upper body's too small? She said, no, your legs are too big. I said, come on. This is the Mr Olympia. How can anything be too big? I like, my cows are too small on my hamstrings. She went, no, you lead you to big. And that, that, that comment, I was done. Checks out 1995. I completed three more years, but I was done. I'm like, this is bullshit. I was at the Olympia. I was going to be
Big Frank: at 85. How will you as a Pgr Jay? I was at, yeah, the whole show. I went to every Olympia from 94 when it was Atlanta from Atlanta in 94. I think we went to everyone until probably 2000 to 2003. Wow. Wow. That I already did that one on one page. I think I was like just under two 80 on stage and I was laying by the night show. I knew they placement in the top 10, so I just had pizza. I didn't give a shit, but when I was done by that, you know, and you know what, that comments of that your legs were too big, you know, the very first thing that goes into my mind is it showed just how hard you worked because how many people now I know because you know, I tore both ligaments, a suburb, both ligaments. I knew what it took to bring my legs back.
Big Frank: You brought your legs to ipb pro status and an I be pro judge said that your legs are too big. That pretty much exactly how much work you put in. So, uh, you know, that's pretty incredible. That's amazing. Thank you. But yeah, that's like the ultimate. When you have an injury like that and someone gives you something like that, that's the ultimate compliment. Right? It's funny because the first ever magazine cover I was on, I sat natural surgeon, a copy of the magazine and I put a big outta look at the legs. By eight is Larry. He actually went to want to see me, I mean as a steady cash and he actually accused. He said to me then he says, I want to ask you a question, and I was 17 minutes.
Big Frank: I said, I know exactly what the question is. You think I was taking things at that time. You thought you think I was on performance announcement, Vignette? He said, yeah. I said, you're wrong. You're completely wrong. I was, I was just working my ass off and I was. I was 17 years old squatting 620 pound for 12 reps, you know, and a blue bulb. Knees out. I'm a tall guy. I'm not meant to squat 620 pounds for 12 reps. so you learn and that's how I actually got a lot of different training techniques. Excuse me. Because of my injuries, I changed the way I trained. I didn't explore it. I everything was a dad push, you know, rather than a balanced and I just, I just change everything and I honestly think the injuries or why I got so good. Same here, same thing around them.
Big Frank: When you learn to work around your injuries, you find a lot of things that people just credit are so valuable. It's crazy. Like through my injuries, right? I started using. Now of course when you're younger and you started in bodybuilding, everyone's like, oh, you know, machines are proposed to use if you want to use all, all a free weight and whatever. Now through my injuries I started using more machines and I learned that I was getting more size for the machines than I ever did from the freeway. And then you started thinking about it and you're like, well, really resistance, this resistance, your body doesn't know, but it's a sheep or a freeway or a bag of rock and make the muscle failure is gonna grow. Exactly. Most people don't have reached that point in a real muscular failure is the main failed before the muscle failed.
Big Frank: Yup. Yeah. Yeah. I agree to talk to you for. That was frank. I really good. I could talk for hours and hours and hours. Do I have you on again? Sometime? I'd be honored. It really hasn't been a true honor to be able to. It's crazy. I've had a real crazy few years starting with Paul Bland and then rich Piana and Gregg Valentino. Now I get to talk to you. It's really cool because where I thought my, uh, where I thought my body building career was behind me and I'm having a lot more fun with it now. Just that we might get you on a patient is stage one.
Big Frank: Now remember, I'm 40. How old are you now? I'm ready for you. Okay. So I'm going to be 47 next month. You look, you look well you've, you've aged better than I am. Well, thank you. Forty seven years old. So I think, I think my competing days are over, but I found a new love for the sport, but I tell people all the time, I love being that person in the crowd that people say, why the hell aren't you up? There is nothing better than that, you know, so the best of both worlds I can look and feel good, but I can also enjoy the sport without the extra bullshit and I can be the dad that my children deserve to know, not the ones that started. So yeah. Good for you. I really asked Kevin, frank, someone wanted to follow you on instagram, Youtube, facebook.
Big Frank: What's the best way for them to keep an eye on for you? And I appreciate that. So instagram, I mean ask big frank. Okay, I'm now on facebook, um, my name because facebook didn't allow me to be big frank anymore. They made me change my actual name. So I'm on facebook, I'm frank x, Buddha Leschi, but I do have a page. It's also called aspect pranks. So if someone just goes on facebook, they see as big frank that that's a page. We have a few thousand followers over there. And then my live show is every Wednesday at 7:00 PM eastern standard time. It's on the, uh, the Iron Mag labs facebook page and it's just as big frank and we just have fun and as a matter of fact, if someday, if you wouldn't mind returning the favor, I'd love to have you on my show. I think that'd be cool. That'd be awesome. That'd be really cool. Really cool. Awesome. So, so I'll be able to introduce some of my followers who are, who are younger that you know, maybe haven't been around or whatever, introduced them to one of my idols, someone that I looked up to. So I think that'd be really cool, man. That means a lot. Thank you bro. I really just let literally I've been looking up to you the six foot fall, that's for sure.
Big Frank: Thank you, brother
Kevin Taylor: Frank. Uh, once again, thank you much for taking
Kevin Taylor: some time out on a Monday evening. Um, you know, very much appreciate it. And uh, we will be staying in touch. I, I know I already talked to you on facebook, you earlier too, so, um, you know, I know, uh, I'll, I'll probably hear this from Ian for the next couple of days about the conversation, but uh, I love it. I love it. We'll put this up and we'll put this up and it'll take me a little while. So what happens is that, uh, we'll go ahead and we'll put this up on the podcast and then we'll follow up with some social media about a week later just to kind of reinvigorate it too. And uh, and so we'll have it up there. We'll have the show notes, we'll have all your links to help you out and um, and now it will be, once again, we're very much, you know, appreciative of you taking your time out to, uh, to handle on the PCA podcast here.
Ian Harrison: Oh, same here. And like I said, once you put it out, let me know. I'll blast it. All my fans, I'm sure would love to see this as well. So good stuff. Yeah, it was great talking to you. Hopefully we'll do it again. So then here I have a good night. Bye Bye. Bye Bye.
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